Canadian energy expert: Pickens blowing smoke

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	Wednesday, October 15, 2008 Medill Reports - Chicago -- T. Boone Pickens’ plan to move the United States away from oil and toward natural gas and wind power may sound like a compelling idea on the surface, but environmental experts say a closer look may reveal his ideas as all hat and no cattle. “Well, he’s got it half right,” said Anthony Perl, a Vancouver, B. C., author and professor of urban studies. “We’re going to have a lot of need for that natural gas he wants to sell us .… We’re going to have a better use than putting it into SUVs.” Josh Mogerman, of the Natural Resources Defense Council in Chicago, agreed. "We feel that natural gas should be used for electricity production, not for use in cars. … We’d rather see these [cars] plugging into an electrical grid.” Visit Medill Reports - Chicago for full article

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GeoTheo All-Star Author Georgia Posts:854 Points:178,325 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: 10/17/2008 4:36:27 PM	Ignore GeoTheo Report Abuse
	ideas are good must application yields results.
Bill313 Champion Author Kansas City Posts:5,430 Points:757,715 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 12:07:19 PM	Ignore Bill313 Report Abuse
	I really believe, that right now there are many different ideas on alternative forms of energy. Until all is tested, we must wait
Jennifer12033 Rookie Author New York Posts:54 Points:10,705 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 10:46:02 AM	Ignore Jennifer12033 Report Abuse
	C4U is right. We had the entire eastern sea board blow out a few years back because of faulty old equipment. And you can bet the farm if we went to electric cars the same would happen again but worse. And then we'd really be in the dark. It isn't cost efficient for electric companies to fix this stuff yet. Just keep patchin' it.
91Acclaim Veteran Author Maryland Posts:425 Points:87,735 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 10:01:22 AM	Ignore 91Acclaim Report Abuse
	Money and greed seem to be the incentive here, not independence from oil..........
C4U Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:1,037 Points:185,305 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 8:18:58 AM	Ignore C4U Report Abuse
	We need to change the way we do things with energy to get away from oil. Although we need to watch out for the electrical grid as the demand increases so will electrical costs per KWH, will definitely go up. Here's the question we all know the electrical grid is outdated and in need of improvement. Soon we will increase our need and demand from the grid, so why hasn't the power companies started in invest there profits today so we will be ready when the real demand hits. Simple they will wait until the demand is here, cry wolf the government will give huge tax breaks and incentives to upgrade and at the same time they will upgrade our cost.
MajorSteve All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:564 Points:250,995 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 8:12:30 AM	Ignore MajorSteve Report Abuse
	Why do we need the canadians to tell us what not to do in the US? Keep your opinions up North!
MajorSteve All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:564 Points:250,995 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 8:11:26 AM	Ignore MajorSteve Report Abuse
	Why do we need the canadians to tell us what not to do in the US? Keep your opinions up North!
KrazyDawg Champion Author California Posts:1,847 Points:311,690 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:51:18 AM	Ignore KrazyDawg Report Abuse
	Driving 55 also helps.
MetroManiac All-Star Author Rochester Posts:895 Points:91,920 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:49:54 AM	Ignore MetroManiac Report Abuse
	pickens has clearly stated his solution is temporary until we can fully develop alternatives, some just like to complain without offering another alternative.
Jacks45 Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,238 Points:451,625 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:48:41 AM	Ignore Jacks45 Report Abuse
	The Candian's are saying that becuse they sell more reg. gas then natural gas to the U.S.A and it'll hurt their sales.
Kiwiman Veteran Author Denver Posts:303 Points:238,730 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:48:37 AM	Ignore Kiwiman Report Abuse
	Electric cars are better but , WHERE are they ? GM and Ford killed those in California in 2002. AND Try driving one across the country . HA ! Natural gas is the way to go for the interim until electric is perfected. I have been driving CNG fuelled vehicles for 3 years and they are great! If you are in Utah, you get a $3000 tax rebate and 85 cents/gal fuel. THAT is what we need!
Lizzylou Champion Author Stockton Posts:1,512 Points:896,670 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:48:16 AM	Ignore Lizzylou Report Abuse
	He has put millions into Prop. 10 here in California!
fairchildd All-Star Author Kansas City Posts:937 Points:377,065 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:48:10 AM	Ignore fairchildd Report Abuse
	so Perl wants to use the gas to make electricity to sell to the owners of the cars that could have been using the natural gas to run them in the first place? Sounds like a middleman somewhere will be making money...
gordonfan05 Sophomore Author Illinois Posts:126 Points:184,140 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:47:03 AM	Ignore gordonfan05 Report Abuse
	Pickens didn't invest all that money on commercials if he didn't think it would line his pockets with cash.
The_WaTchR Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,126 Points:463,305 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:46:03 AM	Ignore The_WaTchR Report Abuse
	It's just a dream.
NavyEOD Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,031 Points:445,240 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:38:14 AM	Ignore NavyEOD Report Abuse
	He has some good points.
w4kh Champion Author Riverside Posts:3,730 Points:654,795 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:36:31 AM	Ignore w4kh Report Abuse
	Using natural gas in a vehicle is probably better than continuing to use gasoline, though I do agree that it might be better used elsewhere... Remember when natural gas was just burned off as a "useless by-product"? If you are even older, you may remember when cities were heated with coking gas... I'm still liking MDI's compressed air car - 1000 miles on 8 gallons of gasoline at 80 mph
ElCap Veteran Author El Paso Posts:398 Points:327,195 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:31:47 AM	Ignore ElCap Report Abuse
	ok
gordonfan05 Sophomore Author Illinois Posts:126 Points:184,140 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:29:38 AM	Ignore gordonfan05 Report Abuse
	Rahm Emanual is a crook! I wonder how much money he got from Pickens to endorse his "plan". Emanual is one of Obama's buddy's. They have been ripping off Chicago's and Illinois taxpayers for years!
AnObserver Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,674 Points:872,190 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:27:58 AM	Ignore AnObserver Report Abuse
	At least Pickens has a complete, coherent problem Certainly some will have different ideas but I haven't seen any of these other 'experts' come out with an alternative plan
tigeriz Veteran Author Maine Posts:302 Points:73,145 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:24:43 AM	Ignore tigeriz Report Abuse
	Only the pure electric cars will be better. An electric car with a 40% gas reserve defeats the purpose.
ss70 Champion Author Detroit Posts:3,105 Points:744,360 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:24:18 AM	Ignore ss70 Report Abuse
	some BS from BC
SeerLV All-Star Author Las Vegas Posts:597 Points:143,915 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:19:40 AM	Ignore SeerLV Report Abuse
	Electric cars are better.
REVLAW Champion Author San Antonio Posts:2,170 Points:409,635 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:18:44 AM	Ignore REVLAW Report Abuse
	Funny thing ... I have never trusted anything an "environmentalist" has said. Most of the time, in my opinion, they don't even get "... it half right ...".
bobmcl2006 Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:5,387 Points:765,775 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:17:32 AM	Ignore bobmcl2006 Report Abuse
	I agree zivcam. Use every way possible way to get us through.I think 50 years from now things could get real ugly if we don't move fast now.
Egaser Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:425 Points:170,660 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:17:31 AM	Ignore Egaser Report Abuse
	We are moving toward a more diverse fuel country.Meaning we will be using many different types of fuel in the near future.Pickens just wants his share of it,that`s all.
hank1326 All-Star Author Los Angeles Posts:580 Points:140,580 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:15:51 AM	Ignore hank1326 Report Abuse
	Interesting, not sure this is the best option. Meanwhile, keep on conserving and hope we have real options soon.
gasguy555 All-Star Author Gary Posts:641 Points:122,135 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:14:10 AM	Ignore gasguy555 Report Abuse
	Plug them cars in!
DVDKING Rookie Author Charlotte Posts:44 Points:18,210 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:12:39 AM	Ignore DVDKING Report Abuse
	sign me up to plug in!!!
pug07rb Sophomore Author Alabama Posts:110 Points:60,185 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:12:18 AM	Ignore pug07rb Report Abuse
	Greedy,greedy, greedy!!!!
frede2 Champion Author Texas Posts:3,565 Points:775,335 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:12:16 AM	Ignore frede2 Report Abuse
	T. Boone seems to be confusing some of the folks that don't know squat about oil and gas production. Ol' Perl, an "author and professor of urban studies" certainly would know a lot about oil and gas??!! Yeah, sure, and I have a bridge over the river I want to sell ya!
china211 Veteran Author Long Island Posts:497 Points:84,400 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:11:19 AM	Ignore china211 Report Abuse
	SAY NO TO SUV'S!!! SAY YES TO OFFSHORE DRILLING AND FINDING BETTER THINGS TO RUN OUR CARS ON!!!!!!
plumb37 Champion Author Quebec Posts:2,567 Points:113,090 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:10:57 AM	Ignore plumb37 Report Abuse
	Everything we "All" do is for the buck. Why should he be any different? [Edited by: plumb37 at 10/16/2008 10:12:15 AM EST]
pbot Rookie Author Cleveland Posts:38 Points:7,595 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:09:43 AM	Ignore pbot Report Abuse
	"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge." — Daniel J. Boorstin Why is he only 1/2 right?
GooseMI Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,778 Points:395,440 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:09:32 AM	Ignore GooseMI Report Abuse
	Pundits with point to sell. They only want to change public option for a profit, they are worthless mouth breathers. Yes, you use natural gas for electricity and your home heating cost will triple, you won't be able to heat your house.
Lukus Veteran Author Halifax Posts:359 Points:87,585 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:09:02 AM	Ignore Lukus Report Abuse
	How long does he fugure natural gas will last and them your're back to a crisis again. Solar and wind power to make electricity is the way to go. The sun isn't going away.
spheremaker1 Veteran Author Arizona Posts:408 Points:367,070 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:08:57 AM	Ignore spheremaker1 Report Abuse
	Pickens has always blown smoke.. he is in business to make lots of money. however, why use natural gas to make elec to make vehicles run.. loss of volume. use coal for elec, cant use it in vehicles. screw the environmental wackos
hblee Veteran Author Ontario Posts:411 Points:255,735 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:08:55 AM	Ignore hblee Report Abuse
	Not a good plan. The higher the demand, the higher the price. Simple economics.
wizzard3040 Veteran Author St. Louis Posts:460 Points:182,475 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:05:47 AM	Ignore wizzard3040 Report Abuse
	Just LOOK @ ANY CORP. EXEC...excessive pay and perks!
amacquarrie Veteran Author Nevada Posts:363 Points:84,035 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 7:04:23 AM	Ignore amacquarrie Report Abuse
	at least he is trying to come up with ideas
ar_kayaker Sophomore Author Arkansas Posts:117 Points:27,515 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:59:49 AM	Ignore ar_kayaker Report Abuse
	Just because the guy can make a profit in the process doesn't make his plan a bad one. On the other hand I don't really think the "transition" via natural gas is smart from the consumer's standpoint. I say make the jump straight to hydrogen fuel-cell technology. Right now it is still pricy and needs some refinement, but that is always the case with new technology. The internet itself would not exsist without all the early adopters who spent $300 for a 1200 buad modem.
Jennifer12033 Rookie Author New York Posts:54 Points:10,705 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:58:56 AM	Ignore Jennifer12033 Report Abuse
	People are already complaining about their electric bills. You have to have $$ to make $$. No matter what somebody is getting rich, chances are it ain't you.
techque All-Star Author St. Louis Posts:724 Points:963,800 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:56:28 AM	Ignore techque Report Abuse
	to use natural gas for either motor fuel or the electric grid are both nuts. clean coal and nuclear are better suited for the electric grid; and natural gas for home heating. hybrid cars with clean diesels could sip petroresources from off shore and ANWR and Canadian oil sands. DAH
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,597 Points:1,027,620 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:54:16 AM	Ignore Don20 Report Abuse
	Its his money..
wizzard1222 Veteran Author St. Louis Posts:463 Points:717,850 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:52:34 AM	Ignore wizzard1222 Report Abuse
	Oil prices fell to a 14-month low Thursday
docwilly All-Star Author Scranton Posts:533 Points:102,065 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:52:33 AM	Ignore docwilly Report Abuse
	true a smoke blower who will find a way to increase his billions
plumb37 Champion Author Quebec Posts:2,567 Points:113,090 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:51:50 AM	Ignore plumb37 Report Abuse
	Sealer ...... Sealer said it, let it be written, it is gospel. LOL
Sealer Champion Author Charleston Posts:2,773 Points:313,955 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:49:26 AM	Ignore Sealer Report Abuse
	He's not just blowing smoke. He's blowing very self-serving smoke, since he wants government mandates and subsidies for businesses he owns.
StephenOM All-Star Author Florida Posts:569 Points:109,090 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:46:54 AM	Ignore StephenOM Report Abuse
	Who you gonna believe? A guy who spends his time promoting socialism and feeding at the public trough, or a guy who's spent his life bringing energy to the consumer and in the process made a buncha bucks? We need "all the above" and not just "pump up your tires." Support the Pickens Plan and support an Energy Independent America. Don't let your representatives get away with turning a deaf ear to you. Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less!
plumb37 Champion Author Quebec Posts:2,567 Points:113,090 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/16/2008 6:45:37 AM	Ignore plumb37 Report Abuse
	21597 said ...... "Go ahead fuel your cars with NG and the next thing you are gonna hear is people complaing about their heating bill exploding. There ain't no free lunch" ------------------------------------------- People are complaining now. Your point? .

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