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Exxon, Valero Face New Curbs on Cancer-Causing Gases (Update

Bloomberg.com -- July 2 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is considering new curbs on U.S. oil refineries whose gas emissions pose a cancer risk to hundreds of thousands of people living near the plants, setting up a potential conflict with companies over the cost of new regulations.
Benzene from turning crude oil into gasoline can cause leukemia, said Philip Landrigan, head of community and preventive medicine at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York. “Studies show excess rates of leukemia and related blood cancers in people, especially children, who live in communities adjacent to these refineries.”

Some of the same companies operate refineries in Europe with lower emissions than at their sites in the U.S. ...innovative technologies used by the same companies in refineries in Europe

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Submitted Jul 04, 2009 By: teafortwo

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Kamakani Champion Author Hawaii Posts:1,864 Points:573,540 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:01:15 PM Ignore Kamakani Report Abuse I wouldn't want to live near one even if this is a bunch of BS.
larose Sophomore Author Toronto Posts:204 Points:189,890 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:00:23 PM Ignore larose Report Abuse I am sure we can lower our emissions.
MissRita Champion Author Austin Posts:1,040 Points:423,790 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:54:39 PM Ignore MissRita Report Abuse oh come on we can do better
LCSTEELERBOB Champion Author Gary Posts:1,588 Points:366,895 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:50:37 PM Ignore LCSTEELERBOB Report Abuse The things these companies will try to getaway with.
FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,561 Points:720,270 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:50:18 PM Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse Let's do everything in our power to keep the oil companies from doing their jobs. Let's mandate and regulate them till the price we pay in crazy and our economy will grind to a screeching halt. HOPE AND CHANGE = B.S!
Bear_Johnson Champion Author London Posts:1,402 Points:484,725 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:49:52 PM Ignore Bear_Johnson Report Abuse Why is it that when the technology is in use in their own plants in Europe, the domestic refineries would rather spend their money fighting against the upgrades rather than stop making our people ill and dead?
DieselKat Champion Author Tennessee Posts:1,713 Points:1,410,815 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:45:45 PM Ignore DieselKat Report Abuse If it is true they need to fix it. It is strange to me why it is just being talked about now. We have been in the refining business at the present rate for what, over eighty years, and have just discovered this. Or is this more liberal, communist propaganda. I wounder, Hmmmm.
BrucePen Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,778 Points:591,795 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:44:08 PM Ignore BrucePen Report Abuse Big Oil, the biggest criminal organization in the world. Tax them into the ground. Bring on the battery powered car.
bigmaninarig Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,078 Points:539,715 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:43:36 PM Ignore bigmaninarig Report Abuse What exactly doesn't cause cancer....they need to find out what it is and create more of it.
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:6,600 Points:1,380,015 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:38:28 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse There has to be some way to change our energy use to a good alternative. Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
chuck sr Veteran Author Tampa Posts:445 Points:645,660 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:35:15 PM Ignore chuck sr Report Abuse If they have better controls on the foreign refineries, why do they need to be told to do it here? Boycott Valero and Exxon Mobil! God Help Us All!
CoffeeTrader Champion Author Victoria Posts:2,412 Points:443,680 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:34:02 PM Ignore CoffeeTrader Report Abuse This kind of thing should have been realized long before now and they should be forced to deal with it on a done yesterday basis.
willsaveNY Champion Author Albany Posts:1,177 Points:404,210 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:32:38 PM Ignore willsaveNY Report Abuse It is good to watch that stuff. Though, it will be another excuse to raise prices.
Bubba44612 Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,651 Points:913,950 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:26:36 PM Ignore Bubba44612 Report Abuse Why should they be allowed to emit these types of chemicals here but not in Europe?
Bat99 Veteran Author Denver Posts:370 Points:123,880 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:23:50 PM Ignore Bat99 Report Abuse I agree that if they already have the technology to clean up emissions they should be forced to implement that method. What sort of health issues will araise from the new green energy systems of the future? I hope we do not charge ahead without looking at that issue.
Jojavo All-Star Author London Posts:593 Points:121,465 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:20:34 PM Ignore Jojavo Report Abuse I think that any type of less pollution in the atmosphere will help the environment and the people living around these refineriers.
gibber73 Sophomore Author Columbus Posts:165 Points:208,150 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:15:47 PM Ignore gibber73 Report Abuse all for safety
bigmacatac Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,000 Points:629,075 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:14:58 PM Ignore bigmacatac Report Abuse good information
FuelBarge Champion Author Long Island Posts:4,143 Points:1,095,990 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:14:02 PM Ignore FuelBarge Report Abuse Benzene is nasty stuff. It was probably a contributing factor in my late father's bladder cancer (he was a Professor of Chemistry and was exposed to a lot of it before its carcinogenic properties were known).
goodbuy Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,152 Points:534,740 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 7:08:46 PM Ignore goodbuy Report Abuse Guess we should check out all refineries. My daughter and children live 6 miles from refinery in Wyoming and I have not heard of a heightened occurance of leukemia in the area. HUUUMMMMM!
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,274 Points:501,350 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:39:52 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse Such emissions can be curbed and increase production of gas, thus helping to make it cost effective.
FuelRacer1132 All-Star Author Iowa Posts:656 Points:159,890 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:38:46 PM Ignore FuelRacer1132 Report Abuse Unfortunately, these studies can go which ever way that the funding source wants it to read. If there is a problem, then deal with it, DO NOT PLAY POLITICS! It is so tiring that what ever lobbyists want, the weak minded men and women in government give them, as long as the funding is enough to offset the other lobbyists.
PissedCanuck Champion Author Toronto Posts:3,818 Points:817,230 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:37:15 PM Ignore PissedCanuck Report Abuse We will soon see the real agenda of this Administration in the coming months.
revON Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,219 Points:643,900 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:35:12 PM Ignore revON Report Abuse Why does Obama consider curbs on oil speculation?
BH24 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:4,930 Points:1,116,675 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:33:37 PM Ignore BH24 Report Abuse If Obama is involved, there is real reason to be skeptical.
pigmanTX Champion Author Houston Posts:1,281 Points:369,735 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:32:47 PM Ignore pigmanTX Report Abuse Meh.
bad_sailor Champion Author London Posts:2,969 Points:722,105 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:30:40 PM Ignore bad_sailor Report Abuse Curing cancer would cause the loss of too many money making charities.
RochBear Champion Author Minnesota Posts:5,538 Points:1,049,165 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:27:22 PM Ignore RochBear Report Abuse Life causes cancer. However, if there is already a technology to reduce the emission, then they should probably use it.
pkhdonovan Champion Author Maine Posts:7,017 Points:1,724,045 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:15:33 PM Ignore pkhdonovan Report Abuse If you long and hard enough anything can cause cancer.
jay4 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:5,792 Points:1,326,080 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:08:32 PM Ignore jay4 Report Abuse Another fine example of enforcing public health standards that affect us all.
caravanguy Veteran Author Milwaukee Posts:384 Points:507,105 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:08:11 PM Ignore caravanguy Report Abuse BHO will do anything to force Americans into tiny cars. He once said he didn't thing $4/gallon gas was that big of a deal...he just thought it got to that price too quickly.
leeso1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,642 Points:436,080 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 6:00:37 PM Ignore leeso1 Report Abuse yes we can!!!
fizbos Champion Author Maine Posts:2,092 Points:1,037,660 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:57:18 PM Ignore fizbos Report Abuse Less oil refinery output = higher gas prices!
BlueVanGroup Champion Author Colorado Posts:2,243 Points:572,410 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:57:15 PM Ignore BlueVanGroup Report Abuse It must be frustrating trying to run a business when the government keeps changing the rules. Let me guess--when the refineries pass the costs of these new changes onto the consumer, some people will mistakenly blame the oil companies for the higher prices.
wt0826 Sophomore Author Ontario Posts:124 Points:53,275 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:50:19 PM Ignore wt0826 Report Abuse Good! About time the big corporations are held accountable.
BlackHorse Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,454 Points:618,785 Joined:Dec 2002	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:37:51 PM Ignore BlackHorse Report Abuse I am all for this one
milespergallon Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,979 Points:1,046,490 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:34:26 PM Ignore milespergallon Report Abuse With the amount of gouge they are making thereis no reason why they don't immediately upgrade. Oh, wait, they are selfish and self serving and don't care! CONSERVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fight, shout and scream for: ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLES.
Bussman Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,705 Points:520,340 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:28:12 PM Ignore Bussman Report Abuse Why doesn't Obama consider curbs on oil speculation?
acknot Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,490 Points:769,335 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:25:13 PM Ignore acknot Report Abuse The effect of this will be higher gas prices.
GGW Veteran Author Austin Posts:329 Points:582,155 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:17:30 PM Ignore GGW Report Abuse aarrrt, you are right on brother!
the_peddler Champion Author Detroit Posts:1,303 Points:349,150 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:17:27 PM Ignore the_peddler Report Abuse is it fact or coincidence. is it the refineries or something else causing the cancer.
fcdriver Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,834 Points:596,495 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:14:24 PM Ignore fcdriver Report Abuse keep conserving
e3p0 Champion Author Columbus Posts:2,179 Points:583,090 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:10:59 PM Ignore e3p0 Report Abuse At the current rate, Obama will get us off foreign oil. It will be refined elsewhere and be imported as gas. Then we will really be screwed.
mplato Champion Author Columbia Posts:4,231 Points:1,014,610 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:08:50 PM Ignore mplato Report Abuse your going to die from drinking water also!
Slyguy1060 Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,520 Points:1,252,225 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:08:13 PM Ignore Slyguy1060 Report Abuse We as a nation are so screwed, by the time the people in Washington get through with us we are going to be a third world country.
2granny Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,222 Points:485,025 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:05:07 PM Ignore 2granny Report Abuse An other reason to rise gas prices.
MINER Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:8,431 Points:2,469,395 Joined:Jul 2002	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 5:03:53 PM Ignore MINER Report Abuse Wow, Valero is moving into this part of Pa. now. I have read in the years past the refinerys can do better but they for some reason are reluctatn to spend the money on it. Wouldn't you think as the largest user of their product, they would have the most modern of their refinerys.
paulydel Champion Author Delaware Posts:4,208 Points:465,305 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:55:18 PM Ignore paulydel Report Abuse Obama can't even run a fruit stand and his medling will only cost us more in taxes.
JustjoeWI Veteran Author Milwaukee Posts:400 Points:237,190 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:50:22 PM Ignore JustjoeWI Report Abuse I agree with aarrrt
hybridaholic Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:3,328 Points:589,885 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:49:33 PM Ignore hybridaholic Report Abuse No refineries around here
aarrrt Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,985 Points:713,250 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:47:57 PM Ignore aarrrt Report Abuse Why lower emissions in Europe than in the US? If they can be lowered there they can be lowered here, of course the tax paying citizens will take it in the shorts.
PokerAce Champion Author Baton Rouge Posts:4,857 Points:942,030 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 4:46:31 PM Ignore PokerAce Report Abuse Bring it on, but we'll end up paying the price tag for it ....